[tlhIngan Hol] {net Sov} vs {'e' Sovlu'}

[Aurélie Demonchaux]

Thanks very much for your replies !

I'll remember to avoid {'e' X-lu'} in the future.

Now I wonder, what about {'e' X-vay'} ? can/should it be used when we have
an indefinite subject? Does it add a nuance somehow or is "net" the
preferred solution in all cases?

For instance:
qama'pu' DIHoHbe' 'e' Sov vay' : someone knows we don't kill prisoners

Satlho'!

ghItlhjaj




2017-11-30 21:34 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name>:

> On 11/30/2017 2:12 PM, Aurélie Demonchaux wrote:
>
> Today I am trying to grasp the difference between {net + verb} and {'e' +
> verb-lu'}
>
> The way I understand it is, for example with "Sov"
>
> net Sov = it is common knowledge that
> 'e' Sovlu' = someone (indefinite) knows that
>
> Thus:
> qama'pu' DIHoHbe' net Sov = It is common knowledge that we don't kill
> prisoners
> qama'pu' DIHoHbe' 'e' Sovlu' = It is known / someone knows that we don't
> kill prisoners
>
> Similarly with chaw' :
> qama'pu' DIHoH net chaw'be' = we are not allowed to kill prisoners
> qama'pu' DIHoH 'e' chaw'lu'be' = someone does not allow us to kill
> prisoners
>
> Am I getting it right ?
>
> My first attempt to answer this never arrived.
>
> The "common knowledge" idea was invented by Klingonists' usage; it is not
> canonical. Back in the early *qep'a'mey,* it was a running gag to say *net
> Sov, net Sov!* in part because Captain Krankor's imperial anthem uses
> that in a line. There is no semantic difference between *net *X and *'e'*
> X*lu',* except that the latter is supposed to be ungrammatical.
>
> The rules say that, except for the recent exception with *'aq,* one uses
> *net* when the subject of the second sentence is indefinite, not *'e' *X
> *-lu'.* Okrand breaks this rule occasionally, and when and why one can
> break the rule is unknown.
>
> I believe he breaks the rule for the same reason I do sometimes: it's easy
> to forget to use *net.* I think he does it in error. Of course, if he
> ever decided to explain what's going on, he'll invent some reason why all
> the examples we have of apparent rules-violations are actually special
> cases, and here's what's REALLY going on, and that'll be that.
>
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