[tlhIngan Hol] mu' chu' chabal tetlh!

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Tue Mar 21 11:41:47 PDT 2017

On 3/21/2017 1:56 PM, Jeremy Silver wrote:
> I too have been having trouble finding a good way to express sand and 
> ash and bribe for example. I think describing ground-up rock confuses 
> people if trying to talk about sand.

Hmm. *nagh pullu'pu'bogh* is actually a pretty decent substitute for 

> While on the subject of sand my wish-list extends to:
> beach (n)
> coast/shore (n)

We already have /beach:/ *bIQ'a' HeH.* This will often work for /coast/ 
or /shore/ as well; the phrase *bIQ'a' HeH* doesn't show us the 
difference between those and /beach. /If I wanted to contrast an actual 
beach and some non-beach shoreline, I might struggle with describing a 
sandy beach shore and a non-sandy beach shore.

> bay/inlet (n)
> harbour (n)
> port [as in spaceport, seaport] (n) - some variation of {vergh} 
> combined with {veng} maybe?

Yes, *vergh veng* is a good substitute for a dedicated word for /port,/ 
and is very much the sort of word Klingons might have for it. If you 
wanted to refer to the actual port in a port city, as opposed to calling 
a port city a /port,/ you might call them the *verghmey* (cf. 

> float [on water/in space, assuming it'll differ from {'al}] (v)
> be-adrift [on water/in space] (v)
> sail (n)
> oar (n)
> Don't know if Marc's painted himself into a corner with turning "row 
> your boat" into "propel your ship", but a {vo'wI'} can mean a few things.

Did he translate that? I don't remember this. What is the source?

I wouldn't consider that being painted into a corner. As a song, it may 
not have been a precise translation. Maybe the Klingon word for /row/ 
doesn't fit nicely in the meter.

> That said, sometimes aiming for a phrase like {vo'meH patmey} if you 
> want what you are describing to remain neutral to time and technology; 
> like you don't want it to matter if the ship has sails, or if it's a 
> fully kitted out Brel.

I could imagine an oar being called a *vo'meH jan raQlu'bogh*/propulsion 
device which one manipulates by hand./

> Recently I too needed something for Skull, {nach Hom} seemed to work 
> OK but had too many syllables at the time.
> We have a word for crossing/traversing something, but I've wanted to 
> express things crossing like in an x or + shape before now. Do we have 
> such a construction?

Don't think so, though something about that is nagging me. I'm also 
thinking you might do something with *Don* and maybe *vel**,* but it's 

>  I'd also vote for a noun for snow as in the past using something like 
> {chuch qutmey} seemed a bit complicated.
> Consider there to be another vote for *tide (n)* here too, had to make 
> do with something like big wave recently. Though now I think about it 
> some way of combining {maS} and {yu'egh} might work. Can you do 
> something like {maSmo' yu'egh}?

That would violate the rule in TKD 3.4: "When the noun-noun construction 
is used, only the second noun can take syntactic suffixes (Type 5)." You 
might go with something like *yu'egh chenmoHbogh maS*/wave which the 
moon forms,/ or just *maS yu'egh* /moon wave./ I don't like it. Tides 
aren't reeeaaallly a wave; I might look at something having to do with 
*bIQ'a' 'Iv*/ocean's altitude/ or something like that.

>  Do we have a usual way of expressing the concept of "beyond" like:
> On the other side of the mountain, there is a prison kind of thing?
> or Past the crossroads someone did something?

*HuD latlh Dop retlhDaq bIghHa' tu'lu'*/in the area next to the 
mountain's other side there is a prison./ But that doesn't cover phrases 
like /far over the Misty Mountains cold,/ where the thing you're talking 
about isn't immediately next to the other side of the mountain. You 
might play with something like *pa' Hop* /faraway thereabouts. /This 
starts to run into "sometimes inaccurate but never approximate" territory.


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