[tlhIngan Hol] qep'a' webpage

[Felix Malmenbeck]

ngIvtaHmo' 'avwI'pu', qachDaq ghaHbe'lI' nIHwI''e'.
lojmIt ngaQHa'moHlaHbe', qachDaq ghaHlI'be' nIHwI''e'.

tlhoy waghmo' DuSaQ, ghojwI' jIHpu'be'.
qaStaHvIS wa' DIS jIlengtaHmo', ghojwI' jIHbe'pu'.
ghojmoHwI'pu' vIvuvbe'mo', ghojwI' QaQ jIHbe'ta'.
tlhoy jIroppu'mo', ghojwI' QaQ jIHta'be'.

potlhqu' natlIS, teHqu'mo':
qeyvaq ghotI' DaSopta'pa', puq SoHpu'be'pu'.

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From: tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org> on behalf of DloraH <seruq at bellsouth.net>
Sent: Friday, July 7, 2017 01:13
To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] qep'a' webpage

On Thu, 2017-07-06 at 11:57 -0400, SuStel wrote:
> On 7/6/2017 11:46 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> > If instead of {SoHtaHbe'chugh} we wrote {SoHbe'taHchugh}, and if
> > instead of {vIta'pu'be'} we wrote {vIta'be'pu'}..
> >
> > 1. Would you accept these choices as equally correct ?
> > 2. Meaning-wise, would you find that they are any different ?
>
> I would accept them as grammatically valid but not necessarily identical
> in meaning.
>
> The example with *ta'* is easier, because it's an actual verb.
> *vIta'pu'be':* I didn't *ta'pu'. vIta'be'pu':* I did *ta'be'*. The
> former describes a thing I might have done and says it didn't happen;
> the latter describes a thing I DID do, which is the not-doing of
> something. The distinction is subtle, and in most cases it wouldn't make
> a difference which you used.
>
> The one with *SoH* is messier because pronouns only act like verbs when
> they interact with other words, and because it seems like *-taH* may be
> required when the pronoun is combined with a locative, but that isn't
> clear... If someone were to choose the other form than I did, I wouldn't
> have a problem, and I wouldn't even be sure there is a significant
> difference.
>


Similar to the first example of 'not taking action' vs 'taking action to
not do something', (putting aside that -taH might be required with
locatives) I take [SoHtaHbe'] and [SoHbe'taH] as 'not being something'
vs 'being not something'.  Very subtle, probably no difference on the
streets, but in a philosophy class, I would see a bit difference.


- DloraH



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