[tlhIngan Hol] Imperatives and {-be'}

[mayqel qunenoS]

lieven:
> We have had problems with that already when it comes to
> direct objects (cf. yIghojmoH)

What's the problem with {yIghojmoH} ?

On 6 Jul 2017 10:32 pm, "Lieven" <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:

> Am 06.07.2017 um 21:07 schrieb SuStel:
>
>> There sure is an example against this:
>>
>
> I was talking abut canon phrases as an example.
>
> TKD's explicit pronouncement that *-be' *is not used with imperatives.
>>
>
> true.
>
> Maybe Okrand meant it only can't be used to negate the sense of /do this!/
>> but he didn't say that.
>>
>
> That how I read it: commands are "do it" and to say "don't" use {-Qo'}
>
>> What we can be sure of is that {HIleghmoHbe'} is forbidden, because the
>>> -be' negates the command {HIleghmoH}, so we need -Qo' here.
>>>
>>
>> So how about **yIta'vIpbe'?*
>>
>
> What about it? It seems clear to me: yIta'vIpQo'
>
> TKD doesn't say you replace *-be'* with *-Qo'.*
>>
>
> It doesn't use the verb "replace", but it says
> /The suffix {-be'} cannot be used with imperative verbs. For imperatives,
> the following suffix is required: {-Qo'} "don't!, won't"/
>
> It makes perfect, logical sense. But it's forbidden by TKD. Until such
>> time as Okrand gives us an unambiguous example,
>>
>
> True.
>
> After some thinking about that, I believe the problem is not so much
> within the -be' suffix, but more with the -moH. We have had problems with
> that already when it comes to direct objects (cf. yIghojmoH)
>
> TKD says that be' cannot be used with "imperative verbs". Now taking this
> literally, I think that we have looked at the -moH part too closely. When
> giving a negative command, Qo' is used, but a verb with -moH makes it two
> "verbs" (or actions), where the "cause" is seen as an action, and this one
> is not negative.
>
> Well, nevertheless, we won't know without asking Maltz.
>
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