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[mayqel qunenoS]

maj.

Now, I understand your reasons for the specific placement of {-be'}.
However let me ask you..

If instead of {SoHtaHbe'chugh} we wrote {SoHbe'taHchugh}, and if instead of
{vIta'pu'be'} we wrote {vIta'be'pu'}..

1. Would you accept these choices as equally correct ?
2. Meaning-wise, would you find that they are any different ?

qunnoq


On 6 Jul 2017 6:38 pm, "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:

On 7/6/2017 11:27 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:

SuStel:
> *pa' SoHtaHbe'chugh vaj meyrI' SoH*
*if you are not there then you are a square*

The placement of {-be'} confuses me. If we choose to place it after the
{-taH} then doesn't the meaning become "If you aren't there continuously" ?

Perhaps this is indeed the intented meaning, the speaker trying to say "if
you aren't continuously there, then..".

But wouldn't you accept, as a more literal way of saying "If you aren't
there.." the {pa' SoHbe'taHchugh..} ?

The only reasoning I see for placing the {-be'} after the {-taH}, is if we
consider (because of the {pa'}) the {SoHtaH} as an "unable to be separated
pair of words", thus leaving as an only option the placement of the {-be'}
after it.

Since we've gotten some examples of it, I believe *-be'* doesn't
necessarily negate only the single, immediately preceding element, but it
can refer to the entire preceding concept, especially for suffixes that
aren't typically negated. So what I said was meant as *[SoHtaH]be'chugh*
instead of *SoH[taH]be'chugh.*

A canonical example of this is from *Power Klingon:* *Hoch DaSopbe'chugh
batlh bIHeghbe'** if you don't eat everything you will die without honor.*
Clearly, *-be'* here is referring to the entire phrase *batlh bIHegh* and
not just the *Hegh.*

Another example from *Conversational **Klingon* is *vIta'pu'be'** I didn't
do it.* This doesn't mean I did it in a non-perfective way; the entire verb
before the *-be'* is being negated as a unit.

-- 
SuStelhttp://trimboli.name


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