[tlhIngan Hol] Quvar, QISmaS cake Davutta''a'
levinius at gmx.de
Wed Jan 4 10:11:16 PST 2017
I am not this lists admin, but I want to answer anyway for several
reasons; I was part of the discussion, one of the experts you talk
about, and I've been on this list for almost twenty years now. And after
all, I still admire how quickly you learned Klingon. I still remember
when we first met and had interesting conversations, even off list.
First of all, please don't be discouraged so quickly. After all,
learning Klingon should be fun and if you throw it away, it will not
only be our time that is lost, it's yours as well. Don't end up as "the
one who left the list angrily"
About your comments, I'll answer shortly, because you are a bit wrong
with some of them.
(my mail software lost the quotes marks, so I'll use quotes myself)
"Because I will ask, what beginner ? The zero beginners who regularly ..."
Did you know that there are about 290 members on this mailing list? Not
all learners are writting. It has always been a fact that there are so
called lurkers who learn just by watching what happens. I know many
klingonists who NEVER write a thing here.
1. When “experts” utilize punctuation, but nevertheless write long and
complex sentences do you tell them “back off, you are confusing
No, we don't, because the list is made not ONLY for beginners. People
can write about what they want, in Klingon. (pointing at te FAQ again).
But I would also tell experts to use punctiuation, because any text
without looks horrible, even for experts. I don't want to guess where a
sentence ends, also not in english.
> When “experts” transliterate, do you tell them “don’t do it” ?
Yes, we do! It's in the list's FAQ.
> Because here, you function as a closely-knit group of individuals,
Well, actually, those closely-knit members usually do follow those rules.
There is one reason to explain why these people are so strict on their
rules. It goes back to a ime when we did not have as many canon examples
as today. These "rules" or "conventions" or whatever you call them were
set up to avoid that people start to use their own Klingon. Back then,
students - and also experts - tried to stick words and nouns together
like they wanted, creating absolute no-gos. They would stick noun
suffixes to verbs, just because they thought it makes sense. That's why
we are so strict on following the rules. That's why SuStel keeps saying
"we just don't know if xyz is correct just because you think it is.". We
don't want to stop students from leraning Klingon, but there has to be
some guidance. That's what this list is for, and that's the goal of the KLI.
I'll let others answer more. I just want to tell you that I will not be
happy when you leave the list. You made it alive again, and asked very
interesting quetions from a differetn point of view. If you leave the
list, I hope you keep learning and using Klingon, so we can meet at
Lieven L. Litaer
aka Quvar valer 'utlh
Grammarian of the KLI
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