[tlhIngan Hol] The Doctor Who discussion

[Aurélie Demonchaux]

HIja’ ! SoQvetlh jatlhpu’ Qel wa’DIch J

DaH mu’meyvam noy vImugh – bIH Daqaw’a’ ?

< Doy’law’ ghaH ’e’ DaQubbe’’a’ ? >



2017-02-13 22:51 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name>:

> majQa'! SoQvetlh vIqawbe'pu' vaj vIQulnIS. toH, jatlhpu' *bIQtIq bom*
> (heh heh).
>
> DaH jImughqa' jIH'e'. *Qel 'Iv* ngo' DaSov'a'?
>
> wa' jaj jIchegh. jIcheghbej. jIcheghpa' yIpayQo'; yISaQQo';
> yIbIt'eghmoHQo'. yIvoqchu' neH bIruchtaHvIS 'ej jIvoqHa'be' je jIHvaD 'e'
> yItob.
>
>
> On 2/13/2017 4:21 PM, Aurélie Demonchaux wrote:
>
> Sustel:
> *Doctor Who* mughta’ghachlIj vIlaD ’e’ vItIv J
>
> DaH Doctor Who ’ay’ vImugh ’e’ vInIDnIS je!
>
> < Hegh Hoch ’e’ Sov Hoch. ’ach Hoch jaj qaSbe’. jajvam qaSbe’. le’ ’op
> jaj. le’qu’ ’op jaj. ’op jaj Hegh pagh nuv. rut, wa’logh qaStaHvIS poH
> nI’qu’, wa’ jaj qaStaHvIS wa’ ’uy’ jajmey, DoqtaHvIS bIQtIq bIQ ’ej
> rItlu’DI’ ghoS Qel, taH Hoch. >
>
>
>  jIQaghpu'chugh jIHvaD yIja'.
>
>
> qatlho' !
>
>
> ~mughwI'
>
>
>
>
> 2017-02-12 18:20 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name>:
>
>> jum. choQoylaHchugh jIratlhlaH 'e' vIQub. mIw vISovbe'. jIDogh. bIDogh,
>> Qel qan. bIvemDI' SoS vav je Daghaj 'ej choqawbe'. toH, loQ choqaw. nachlIj
>> Dabbogh lut jIH. lu'. tagha' lut 'oH Hoch'e'. lut yIQaQmoH. nIvmo',
>> nIvbejmo': 'IDnar 'aplo' nIHta' maw'bogh loD qan 'ej Haw'ta'. vInIHta' 'e'
>> qaja'? toH, vIngIpta'; reH vIcheghmoH 'e' vIHech. 'o 'aplo'vetlh, *Amy,*
>> 'aplo'vetlh Daghom bInajtaHvIS. not Dumej. quq ngoDmeyvam: tIn 'ej mach,
>> chu'chu' 'ej qanqu'; 'ej SuDchu'ghachDaj SuD law' Hoch SuD puS. 'ej Doch
>> DIta'bogh, qar'a'? Doch lujallu'bogh. Doch DIta'be'bogh. bInajtaHvIS ratlh
>> Dochmeyvam. Qel *Amy Pond* je... qaSbe'bogh jajmey je.
>>
>> SoQchoH Qarghmey. 'ach SoQlaHbe'chu' latlh Dop vIghoSpa'. DaH naDev
>> jInov. ratlhbogh qaSHa'ghach vIbuSQo'. qaSqa'ghach vImuS. yIyInchu'.
>> *Rory* yImuSHa'. *Bye-bye, Pond.*
>>
>> On 2/12/2017 10:27 AM, Aurélie Demonchaux wrote:
>>
>> Thanks for your help and explanations Sustel !
>>
>> I think I get it now :)
>>
>> ~mughwI'
>>
>> PS: "TARDIS-blue", I love your choice of example ;) Whovian jIH !
>>
>>
>> 2017-02-11 18:16 GMT+01:00 SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name>:
>>
>>> On 2/11/2017 8:34 AM, Aurélie Demonchaux wrote:
>>>
>>> Indeed the lack of tense can be a bit confusing sometimes and it's
>>> taking me a bit of time getting used to.
>>>
>>> I'm still working to figure out also how it works with the verb suffixes.
>>>
>>> For example, in the 4 possible sentences below, do I get the exact
>>> nuances right?
>>>
>>> jIvutpu’ ’e’ vIparHa’
>>> - I like that I cooked (at some point in the past)
>>> - I like that I have cooked (just now)
>>> - I like finishing to cook (maybe implying that this is when I can
>>> finally eat ;)
>>>
>>>
>>> "At some point in the past" implies past tense, which we know Klingon
>>> doesn't have. Instead, the *-pu'* tells us that "I cook" is a completed
>>> action. In English we can't separate tense and aspect, so the distinction
>>> is difficult for English-speakers to grasp.
>>>
>>>
>>> *jIvutpu' *
>>> *I cooked; I have cooked; I will have cooked *I perform, performed, or
>>> will perform an act of cooking, and I now, did, or will complete that act.
>>>
>>> The single word in no way tells you whether the action is past, present,
>>> or future. It means all of them and none of them at the same time, the same
>>> way that *blue* means sky-blue and navy-blue and TARDIS-blue all at the
>>> same time.
>>>
>>>
>>> *wa'Hu' jIvutpu' **yesterday I cooked; yesterday I had cooked*
>>>
>>>
>>> *DaH jIvutpu' **right now I have cooked*
>>>
>>>
>>> *wa'leS jIvutpu' **tomorrow I will have cooked*
>>>
>>> Contexts like these are required to determine *when* the cooking
>>> happened.
>>>
>>> If you don't use an aspect suffix, you are explicitly talking about an
>>> action that is not completed (or continuous) in the moment your are
>>> describing.
>>>
>>>
>>> *jIvut **I cook; **It's true that I cook things*
>>>
>>> This also does not specify *when* an action happened, which requires
>>> context:
>>>
>>>
>>> *wa'Hu' jIvut **I cooked yesterday; it's true that I engaged in cooking
>>> yesterday*
>>>
>>>
>>> *DaH jIvut **I cook now; at other times I may not have cooked, but it's
>>> true that I cook now*
>>>
>>>
>>> *wa'leS jIvut **I will cook tomorrow; tomorrow I'll do some cooking*
>>>
>>> You can make a similar comparison with the continuous suffixes.
>>>
>>
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