# [tlhIngan Hol] wa'DIch

mayqel qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Fri Aug 25 08:44:34 PDT 2017

```And thinking of this further, we could do something similar with {ngugh}:

wa'DIch De'wI' vIchu'
cha'DIch jIH vIbej
wejDIch tagh much
ngugh jIQongchoH

First I turn on the computer
Second I watch the screen
Third the movie starts
(and) then/at that time I fall asleep

This could also be done with {tagha'} too:

wa'DIch De'wI' vIchu'
cha'DIch jIH vIbej
wejDIch tagh much
tagha' jIQongchoH

First I turn on the computer
Second I watch the screen
Third the movie starts
(and) finally I fall asleep

qunnoq

On Aug 25, 2017 6:32 PM, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> qurgh:
> > As long as it's listing steps, it works for all the numbers, as
> > that's what ordinal numbers are for:
>
> This is very interesting indeed, and I hadn't thought of this application
> of ordinals in conjunction with {ghIq}.
>
> Thanks for sharing !
>
> qunnoq
>
> On Aug 25, 2017 6:28 PM, "qurgh lungqIj" <qurgh at wizage.net> wrote:
>
>> As long as it's listing steps, it works for all the numbers, as that's
>> what ordinal numbers are for:
>>
>> wa'DIch Soj vISop
>> cha'DIch HIq vItlhutlh
>> wejDIch jagh vIHIv
>> ghIq jIQong
>>
>> First I eat the food
>> Second I drink the wine
>> Third I attack the enemy
>> Then I sleep
>>
>> qurgh
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Aug 25, 2017 at 11:19 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> lieven:
>>> > Yes, indeed. Few lines later it says {ghIq Hegh qanjIt}. (PB p
>>> > 149.
>>>
>>> For the noble reason of helping someone who may be reading this thread,
>>> and for the selfish reason of helping myself whenever I may read this again
>>> in the future, here is the relevant text:
>>>
>>> wa'DIch Hegh moratlh
>>> wej SuvwI' SuvtaHvIS
>>> mongDaj DuQlu' 'ej Hegh
>>>
>>> ghIq Hegh qanjIt
>>> qeylIS retlhDaq Suv
>>> wa' jagh HoHta' HeghtaHvIS
>>>
>>> The interesting thing here, is that we have {ghIq Hegh qanjIt}, and not
>>> {cha'DIch Hegh qanjIt}.
>>>
>>> "First/at first/initially" {wa'DIch} happens whatever, and
>>> "then/subsequently" {ghIq} something also happens.
>>>
>>> So, from this, it is clear that {wa'DIch} can be used in the sense of "first/at
>>> first/initially etc".
>>>
>>> qunnoq
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Aug 24, 2017 2:40 PM, "Lieven" <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Am 23.08.2017 um 17:02 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
>>>>
>>>>>  > 2) may' bI'reS bejtaHvIS mon.
>>>>>  > «First, he watches the battle smiling.»
>>>>>
>>>>> This is even more confusing. If the {bI'reS} here was meant to be a
>>>>> timestamp, then the klingon sentence should be {bI'reS may' bejtaHvIS mon}.
>>>>> Let alone the fact, that even in this case, without the punctuation we
>>>>> would have the ambiguities discussed at the "First, Molor taunts Kahless"
>>>>> sentence.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> No, not neccessary. You can see {may' bI'reS} as the time stamp: "At
>>>> the beginning of the battle, he watches smiling". WHat I think was that it
>>>> says "He smiles while watching the bgining of the battle" - and it's the
>>>> english which does not fit perfectly.
>>>>
>>>> I can't understand this sentence at all. All I get is "First, part of
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's literally "the head part". It's not a sentence, but a listing,
>>>> talking about connecting body parts in some ritual. You understand when you
>>>> see the following lines:
>>>> wa'DIch nach 'ay'
>>>> cha'DIch ghIv 'ay'
>>>> wejDIch burgh 'ay'
>>>> loSDIch bIng 'ay'
>>>> vaghDIch Dung 'ay'
>>>> [...] PB, / p. 102
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  > 5) wa'DIch Hegh moratlh.
>>>>>  > «First, Morath fell.»
>>>>>
>>>>> I could understand this being the use of {wa'DIch} as a timestamp, as
>>>>> long as this sentence isn't the first of a group of sentences where
>>>>> numbering takes place (is it ?).
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yes, indeed. Few lines later it says {ghIq Hegh qanjIt}. (PB p 149.)
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Lieven L. Litaer
>>>> aka Quvar valer 'utlh
>>>> Grammarian of the KLI
>>>> http://www.klingonwiki.net/En/Paqbatlh
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