[tlhIngan Hol] Is Star Trek: Discovery a new canon category?

nIqolay Q niqolay0 at gmail.com
Thu Aug 10 19:28:35 PDT 2017

One of the major differences between Discovery and Klingon Hamlet is that
Discovery is going to be Actual Star Trek Canon. As far as the Star Trek
fanbase at large is concerned, Qov's sentences are going to be as canonical
as anything else on the shows and movies. If Qov writes "X is the way to
say sentence Y in Klingon" and that's what the show uses as the
translation, that's going to be treated as authoritatively as, say, the
idea that you can get a deceased loved one into Sto-Vo-Kor by dedicating a
glorious battle to them (like Worf did for Jadzia). How should we deal with
that? Are we okay ignoring things depicted as Klingon Canon on the show?

Like I said earlier, though, I'm not entirely sure it's a big deal. If
Okrand ends up approving it as "real Klingon" in some way (either as
standard "Maltz Hol" or an artifact of some dialect), like he's done with
all the other stuff presented as Klingon on the show but not written by
him, then I feel like the argument boils down to: Do we wait for him to
share his thoughts on Qov's dialogue (at the next qep'a' or whenever)
before accepting it? Or will it eventually be okay to just take a shortcut
and accept it when it airs, and only wait for his thoughts on anything

Of course, if Okrand wants to change his precedent and not approve this
particular TV Klingon as real, {vaj may' bom pIm wIbom.} Has he said
anything about this one way or another?

On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 8:46 PM, Alan Anderson <qunchuy at alcaco.net> wrote:

> On Thu, Aug 10, 2017 at 2:17 PM, De'vID <de.vid.jonpin at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Are people going to accept sentences from Star Trek: Discovery as
>> canonical Klingon? (For example, no objection if I use sentences from
>> the show as examples in {boQwI'}?)
> I object. Why would you pick those sentences as examples, and not, for
> instance, sentences from Qo'noS QonoS?
> They're sentences created using Okrandian grammar, but they are not
> Okrandian sentences. We should not treat them as "correct by default". They
> very well could be worthy of emulation, but some of them might have
> accidental mispronunciations that didn't get caught in time, or might use
> controversial grammar, or might be intentionally aberrant for effect. I
> would enthusiastically accept any compilation of Klingon spoken on the
> show, but I would not want it to be treated with any sort of authority. We
> don't accept as canonical the invented idioms in the Klingon version of
> Hamlet, and we don't add to a dictionary the borrowed words in Much Ado
> About Nothing. Similarly, what makes it into the released episodes of
> Discovery should not change our textbooks. It's possible that a clever turn
> of phrase will turn out to catch the collective fancy of Klingon speakers,
> and thus influence how we say certain things, but I don't think that should
> be any more of an example than something from the Tao Te Ching.
> How would you answer if YOU were the one providing Klingon translations
> for the lines in Discovery scripts?
> -- ghunchu'wI'
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