[tlhIngan Hol] Using object prefix with {-vo'}

[mayqel qunenoS]

So, to summarize..

{juH vIjaH} "I go to the house" = correct
{juHDaq vIjaH} "I go to the house" = correct but redundant
{juHvo' jIjaH} "I go away from the house" = correct
{juHvo' vIjaH} "I go away from the house" = awkward and maybe
wrong/problematic.

Right ?

qunnoq jan puqloD


On 9 Aug 2017 5:37 pm, "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:

On 8/9/2017 10:18 AM, Aurélie Demonchaux wrote:

*juHDaq vIjaH* is considered redundant because the object of *jaH* inherently
> includes a locative sense. Anything you *jaH* is something you're *jaH*
> -ing *to.*
>
> There is no inherent "away from" sense to *jaH,* so *juHvo' vIjaH* is
> probably an awkward phrase, if not downright disallowed.
>

On the other hand, the Klingon Dictionary uses the below examples:

{pa'Daq yIjaH} <Go to the room.> (section 3.3.5., p27)
{pa'vo' yIjaH} <Leave the room!> (section 3.3.5., p28)
{jolpa'Daq yIjaH} <Go to the transport room!> (section 7.1, p73)

So it seems ok and cannon to use -Daq and -vo' suffixes along with <jaH>.


I didn't say it wasn't. Specifically, I said that a *-vo'* noun *as the
object of* *jaH* might not work (and only might). I didn't say anything
about a *-vo'* noun that isn't the object of *jaH.* In the TKD example
above, you can't tell whether *pa'vo' yIjaH* has *pa'vo'* as the object of
*jaH* or as a syntactic noun at the beginning.

Also, Okrand has revised his use of *-Daq* a little since TKD came out. For
instance, in PK (before the *HolQeD *article where he talks about verbs of
motion) he says *naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'** can we get to the Great
Hall from here?* According to the *HolQeD* interview, that should mean *can
we, in the Great Hall, go from here?*

When Okrand revises the rules, I see that as invoking the statement in
TKD's introduction that warns that the grammar is only a poorly understood
sketch.

So the validity of those examples in TKD to verify this point must be
considered suspect.

-- 
SuStelhttp://trimboli.name


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