[tlhIngan Hol] KLBC: {-ngan}

John R. Harness cartweel at gmail.com
Wed Oct 19 09:53:31 PDT 2016

Obviously Voragh has explained better than I could have. Just watch out for
the hooves! (nyak nyak nyak)


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On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 10:29 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> maj ghantoH pIn'a' quv !
> SIbI' tameywIjDaq De'vam vIchel.
> qunnoH
> On Tue, Oct 18, 2016 at 6:04 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
> >  mayqel qunenoS:
> >> 'elaDya' *panda*mey vIqotlhta' ?
> >>     or
> >> 'elaDya'ngan *panda*mey vIqotlhta' ?
> >
> > {'elaDya' *panda*mey} would be "Greek pandas" (i.e. pandas of or
> associated with the country Greece) vs. {'elaDya'ngan *panda*mey} "the
> Greek's pandas" (e.g. those pandas belonging to a specific Greek zoo
> keeper).
> >
> >> The question is whether one can use the {-ngan} in order to describe the
> >> animals which inhabit a place. And since we're on the subject can
> someone
> >> tell me, where exactly in the TKD the {-ngan} is discussed ? I can't
> find
> >> it anywhere..
> >
> > Because the explanation is in KGT:
> >
> > (KGT 141f.):  A name for the inhabitant of a planet (and, therefore, the
> name of a race of beings) is formed by adding {ngan} (inhabitant) to the
> planet name (excluding the number, if any): {lIghonngan} (Ligonian),
> {tera'ngan} (Earther, Terran), {romuluSngan} (Romulan). (Actually, there is
> some phonetic variation here. Ligonian is often pronounced {lIghongan},
> dropping the final {n} of {lIghon} before the initial {ng} of {ngan}. This
> is not considered an error, only an alternate pronunciation.) Occasionally,
> and no doubt owing to influence from Federation Standard, from which names,
> as noted, are often taken, an extra syllable, {-ya'-}, comes between the
> planet name and {ngan}. Thus, Denebian - that is, an inhabitant of one of
> the Deneb planets - is both {DenIbngan} and {DenIbya'ngan}. The planet name
> itself is also heard in two forms: {DenIb} (formed from the name Deneb) and
> {DenIbya'} (formed by dropping the {ngan} from {DenIbya'ngan}).
> >
> > Okrand added a bit more relevant information to your question later:
> >
> > (MO to Lieven, 3/27/2012):  Maltz said that for language names the
> construction "country + {Hol}" is most common (so he preferred {DoyIchlan
> Hol}). Of course, it doesn't have to be a "country." It could be a region
> or a political unit or alliance of another kind (which is why {DIvI' Hol}
> fits in). He noted that {tlhIngan Hol} is really a shortened form of
> {tlhIngan wo' Hol}, but nobody ever says that in everyday speech. If one
> were to say {vulqangan Hol} ("Vulcan's language" or "Vulcans' language"),
> that could mean the same thing as {vulqan Hol}, so the speaker would
> generally not be misunderstood, but if at an intergalactic gathering a
> Vulcan were speaking Federation Standard, then {vulqangan Hol} for that
> Vulcan at that time and place would be {DIvI' Hol}. There is no such thing
> as {qa'naDa' Hol}, but {qa'naDa'ngan Hol} might refer to {DIvI' Hol} or
> {vIraS Hol} (or Cree or Inuit or many other languages). So Maltz thought it
> best to avoid the {-ngan} construction for langu
>  ag
> >  e names.
> >
> > See for example {romuluS HIq} "Romulan ale" (i.e. the famous potent
> alcoholic beverage associated with Romulus which is banned in the
> Federation) vs. {romuluSngan HIq} "the Romulan's ale (e.g. the drink of
> that Romulan at the end of the bar).
> >
> >
> > toq             be inhabited (v)
> > chIm            be uninhabited, be deserted (v)
> >
> > roghvaH         population (n)
> > ngan            inhabitant (n)
> > Sung            native (n)
> > nov             alien, outsider, foreigner (n)
> >
> >
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