[tlhIngan Hol] [English] Using "pong" as a verb to say "my name is..." ?

[mayqel qunenoS]

and since we're on the subject, it would be great if someone could explain,
why the prefix trick applies only to first and second person object
(singular or plural).

why can't I say {vIghro' DInob jay'} for "we give them the f*** cat" ?

qunnoH
ghogh HablI'wIjvo' vIngeHta'

On 6 Oct 2016 11:13 a.m., "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> It just came to me..
>
> When we say that the prefix trick (the usual one and the {-lu'}
> variant) applies only for the first and second person object, do we
> mean only for the first and second person singular object, or for the
> first and second person plural object as well ?
>
> qunnoH
>
> On Wed, Oct 5, 2016 at 10:44 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu>
> wrote:
> > SuStel:
> >>> Thus, /what/ you say is not the object of the verb of speech.
> >
> > Lieven:
> >> As an addition to this, we know what can be the object of the verb
> >> "speak/talk":
> >>  - a speech:   {SoQ vIjatlh}
> >>  - a language: {vIraS Hol vIjatlh}
> >
> > If you want it from the source, Okrand wrote on startrek.klingon
> (6/1997) - slightly edited for legibility:
> >
> > The object of {jatlh} "speak" is that which is spoken.  Thus, it's OK to
> say "speak a language", for example:
> >
> >     tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh
> >     you speak Klingon
> >
> > But it's also OK to say "speak an address, speak a lecture", for example
> {SoQ Dajatlh} "you speak an address" or, more colloquially, "you deliver an
> address" or "you make a speech".  To say simply {jatlh} "he/she speaks"
> implies "he/she speaks it}, where "it" is a language or a lecture or
> whatever.  The indirect object of {jatlh}, when expressed, is the
> hearer/listener.  Thus:
> >
> >     qama'pu'vaD tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh
> >     you speak Klingon to the prisoners
> >
> >     qama'pu'vaD SoQ Dajatlh
> >     you make a speech to the prisoners"  [...]
> >
> > The verb {jatlh} can also be used when giving direct quotations:
> >
> >     tlhIngan jIH jatlh
> >     he/she says, "I am a Klingon"
> >
> >     jatlh tlhIngan jIH
> >     he/she says, "I am a Klingon"
> >
> > (With verbs of saying, such as {jatlh}, the phrase that is being said or
> cited may come before or after the verb.)  If the speaker is first or
> second person, the pronominal prefix indicating 'no object' is used:
> >
> >     tlhIngan jIH jIjatlh
> >     I say, "I am a Klingon"
> >
> >     tlhIngan jIH bIjatlh
> >     you say, "I am a Klingon"
> >
> > There are instances where the pronominal prefix marks a big distinction
> in meaning:
> >
> >     tlhIngan Hol Dajatlh
> >     you speak Klingon
> >
> >     tlhIngan Hol bIjatlh
> >     you say [the phrase], "Klingon language"
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Voragh
> > tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
> > Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> >
> >
> >
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