[tlhIngan Hol] The concept of "one/each/every time"

[mayqel qunenoS]

And to further comment on the emphatic nature of "each/every" time, there
is a reason why I feel them to be emphatic by nature.

When you use them, you don't just refer to a group of things/events. You
don't just put all these things/events in a big bag, handling them all as a
homogenous group.

By the "each/every" you're referring in particular to every single
thing/event of that group, for whatever reason. And I think this is an
emphatic approach by its very nature.

If I say "at this list there is a group of klingonists" it is one thing.
But if I say "at this list each one of us is a klingonist", then I believe
the latter sentence puts the emphasis on every one here individually.

qunnoH
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

On 31 Oct 2016 4:01 pm, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> Of course, as lieven pointed out, the difference -in english- between
> "each time" and "every time" eludes me.
>
> But the way they *feel* to me in english is the same with the way they
> feel to me in greek; that is whenever I hear them, I get the "emphasis"
> feeling.
>
> Because of this reason I feel that the {Hochlogh} actually manages to kill
> two birds with one stone. Literally it means "each/every time", while
> simultaneously it gives emphasis to the sentence.
>
> So, I believe it solves my problem of expressing the "each/every time"
> meaning.
>
> qunnoH
> ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
>
> On 31 Oct 2016 3:50 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>
>> {Hochlogh} was introduced in KGT.  AFAIK there is only one actual example
>> sentence:
>>
>>
>>
>> (KGT 178):  Similarly, when {-*logh}* is attached to {*Hoch}* (*all*),
>> the resulting word, {*Hochlogh}* (*all times*), is used in the same way
>> as {*reH}* (*always*), as in {*Hochlogh no' yIquvmoH}* (“*All times
>> honor your ancestors”*...); compare {*reH no' yIquvmoH}* ({*Always honor
>> your ancestors”*).
>>
>>
>>
>> It is similar to another emphatic form {paghlogh} “zero times:
>>
>> (KGT 178):  "When {-*logh}* is attached to {*pagh}* (*zero*), the
>> resulting form, {*paghlogh}* (*zero times*) is used as an emphatic
>> alternate for {*not}* (*never*), as in {*paghlogh jegh tlhIngan SuvwI'}*
>> (“*a Klingon warrior surrenders zero times”*)... compare {*not jegh
>> tlhIngan SuvwI'}* (“*a Klingon warrior never surrenders”*).
>>
>>
>>
>> BTW both of these are considered {mu’mey ru’} “made-up (lit. “temporary”)
>> words”:
>>
>>
>>
>> KGT 176:  Sometimes words or phrases are coined for a specific occasion,
>> intentionally violating grammatical rules in order to have an impact.
>> Usually these are never heard again, though some gain currency and might as
>> well be classified as slang. Klingon grammarians call such forms {*mu'mey
>> ru'}* ("temporary words"). Sometimes, {*mu'mey ru'} *fill a void--that
>> is, give voice to an idea for which there is no standard (or even slang)
>> expression; sometimes, like slang, they are just more emphatic ways of
>> expressing an idea. A common way to create these constructions is to bend
>> the grammatical rules somewhat, violating the norm in a way that is so
>> obvious that there is no question that it is being done intentionally. To
>> do this is expressed in Klingon as {*pabHa'} *("misfollow [the rules],
>> follow [the rules] wrongly").
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Do either of these appear in the paq’batlh?
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> Voragh
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* tlhIngan-Hol [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org]
>>
>> *On Behalf Of *mayqel qunenoS
>>
>> lieven:
>> > have you considered {Hochlogh}? it means
>> > something like "always", but literally says
>> > "each time" or "all times"
>>
>> *qunnoH: *
>> And now, I would like to ask voragh on any canon examples, which utilize
>> the {Hochlogh}.
>>
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