[tlhIngan Hol] matlh juppu' mu'mey, from HolQeD 8-3, pages 2-4

[mayqel qunenoS]

SuStel :
> My best guess is that the placement of adverbials is different for neH than for 'e'.

This is an interesting theory indeed.

Lawrence M. Schoen
> A clearer translation than that found in PK might be:
> [I'd like to maybe buy something from you.]

I agree ; this was my original translation too, as soon as I read the
original klingon sentence. And I believe this could be the reason that
the klingon merchant was pissed.

The sentence "maybe I want to buy something", focuses its meaning on
the "I want". But the sentence "I want to maybe buy something focuses
on the "buy" and *feels*, as if the terran actually wants to be
uncertain. And I think that the latter, is what insults the klingon
merchant, who perceives the terran as playing with his nerves.

Maybe 'oqranD deliberately wrote the sentence this way, to demonstrate
that misplacing an adverb on Qo'noS could have serious consequences.

meqvammo' Qo'noSDaq vIghoSQo' ! pa', qaStaHvIS rep wa'DIch, - jIbej - muHoH !
because of this reason, I would never go to kronos ! they would have
killed me there, within the hour !

Ca'non master :
> FWIW here’s my transcript of the untranslated shopping scene

nuq FWIW ?

mop Hurgh

On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 9:20 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> The bracketed translation in PK is my own – IIRC this line by the hapless
> Klingon-speaking tourist was not translated on the tape -- so don’t take it
> as gospel.
>
>
>
> FWIW here’s my transcript of the untranslated shopping scene that begins
> “Power Klingon” (T = Terran tourist, K = Klingon merchant):
>
>
>
>
>
> K  nuqneH
>  [What do you want?]
>
> T  'IH jaj qar'a'?  maja'chuqjaj
>  [Beautiful day, isn't it?  Can we talk?]
>
> K  jISaHbe'
>  [I don't care.]
>
> T  bISaHbe'?  qatlh bIjatlh
>  [You don't care?!  Why do you say that?]
> chaq SoHvo' vay' vIje' vIneH
>  [Maybe I'd like to buy something from you.]
>
> K  tugh!  SSS... bIje'be'chugh vaj bIHegh
>  [Hurry up!  Buy or die!]
>
>    quvwIj DatIchpu', tera'ngan
>  [You have insulted my honor, Terran.]
>
> bIyIntaH 'e' Daqotlhbe'
>   [You don't deserve to live (“keep living”).]
>
>
>
> <sound of disruptor fire>
>
>
>
> T  yIjotchoH
>  [Calm down!]
>
>
>
> <sound of more disruptor fire>
>
>
>
> T  Dochvetlh yItlhap
>  [Take that!]
>
>
>
> <sound of phaser fire followed by more disruptor fire>
>
> <Terran screams as he’s hit by disruptor blast>
>
>
>
>
>
> All of which shows that a little knowledge can be a dangerous thing.
> Especially on Kronos.
>
>
>
> Voragh
>
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>
>
> From: Lawrence M. Schoen
> Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2016 12:43 PM
>
> On Wed, Jun 22, 2016 at 1:28 PM, SuStel <sustel at trimboli.name> wrote:
>
> On 6/22/2016 1:19 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>
> chaq SoHvo' vay' vIje' vIneH
>
> [Maybe I'd like to buy something from you.] PK
>
>
>
> Maybe the difference is insignificant, but I believe that in the
>
> strict sense of the rules, the {chaq} should be placed before the
>
> {vIneH}.
>
> Yep. Consider also reH DIvI Duj vISuv vIneH I've always wanted to fight a
> Federation ship (ST5).
>
> My best guess is that the placement of adverbials is different for neH than
> for 'e'.
>
>
>
> To me, the translation given in PK is ambiguous, which is why I think
> there's a different question here that needs to be considered. Specifically,
> is {chaq} modifying the verb {je'} or the verb {neH}.
>
> In my mind there's no question. The equivocation provided by {chaq} is all
> about the buying and not about whether you want it or not.
>
>
>
> A clearer translation than that found in PK might be:
>
> [I'd like to maybe buy something from you.]
>
>
>
> And of course, as we know Klingon doesn't bother with those useful tools of
> sentence separation like commas, periods, and semi-colons. That said, I
> suspect we can all agree that the final {vIneH} is its own sentence.
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