[tlhIngan Hol] [tlhIngan-Hol] Hergh ngevwI'

[mayqel qunenoS]

ok, thank you all ! I will leave {Hergh ngevwI'}, in my dictionary as
it is (person and/or store) !

On Thu, Jun 9, 2016 at 3:27 AM, Lawrence M. Schoen <klingonguy at gmail.com> wrote:
> It's even worse when the drunkard who is washing your dishes is named
> Hobart.
>
> On Jun 8, 2016 8:12 PM, "DloraH" <seruq at bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
> Is a ghItlhwI' a person, a printer hooked up to a computer, or a pencil?
> We have the same problem in English.
> What is a dishwasher?  An appliance, or a person?
> When the dishwasher is loaded, is it that one cannot fit anymore plates in
> to the appliance, or is
> does it mean that the wife is drunk?
>
> It always comes back to context.
>
>
> - DloraH
>
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tlhIngan-Hol
>> [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of
>> mayqel qunenoS
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:05
>> To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
>> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] [tlhIngan-Hol] Hergh ngevwI'
>>
>> ok, this is becoming confusing ;
>>
>> and to make things even worst, this question came to my mind
>> minutes ago..
>>
>> .. someone builds a completely automated physical store, which store
>> sells medical products. wouldn't we be able to call that store Hergh
>> ngevwI' ?
>>
>> and then we have the Hergh QaywI'. If we analyze the QaywI', then we
>> see that the {Qay} means to transfer. However the given translation,
>> doesn't refer to a person who transfers ; it rather refers to a thing,
>> which transfers.
>>
>> Unless the definition of {Hergh ngevwI'} as "being the person who
>> does", comes directly from 'oqranD, then why couldn't we use it to
>> describe the store as well ?
>>
>> So, the million dollar question is this :
>>
>> Does the definition of {Hergh ngevwI'}, as "the person who does", come
>> directly from 'oqranD ?
>>
>> qunnoq
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Steven Boozer
>> <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>> > mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> {Hergh ngevwI'} refers to the person who sells, or to the
>> store which
>> >>> sells ? Or both ?
>> >
>> > De'vID:
>> >> It refers to the person. In the TalkNow! Klingon softwhere
>> {ngevwI'} and
>> >> {Hergh ngevwI'} are used, the pronoun {ghaH} is used.
>> >>
>> >> But see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy (or maybe
>> >> https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Μετωνυμία is more appropriate)
>> >
>> >   nuqDaq ghaH Hergh ngevwI''e'
>> >   Where is the chemist? (TNK)
>> >
>> > Another example from TalkNow! is:
>> >
>> >   nuqDaq ghaH ngevwI''e'
>> >   Where is the shop? (TNK)
>> >
>> > On the other hand a {Hergh QaywI'} "pneumatic hypo" (also
>> called a hypospray and hyposyringe in Trek) is a medical
>> device, lit. "thing which transfers medicine".
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > Voragh
>> > tlhIngan ghantoH pIn'a'
>> > Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
>> >
>> >
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