[tlhIngan Hol] [tlhIngan-Hol] Hergh ngevwI'

[DloraH]

Is a ghItlhwI' a person, a printer hooked up to a computer, or a pencil?
We have the same problem in English.
What is a dishwasher?  An appliance, or a person?
When the dishwasher is loaded, is it that one cannot fit anymore plates in to the appliance, or is
does it mean that the wife is drunk?

It always comes back to context.


- DloraH

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tlhIngan-Hol 
> [mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces at lists.kli.org] On Behalf Of 
> mayqel qunenoS
> Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 11:05
> To: tlhIngan Hol mailing list
> Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] [tlhIngan-Hol] Hergh ngevwI'
> 
> ok, this is becoming confusing ;
> 
> and to make things even worst, this question came to my mind 
> minutes ago..
> 
> .. someone builds a completely automated physical store, which store
> sells medical products. wouldn't we be able to call that store Hergh
> ngevwI' ?
> 
> and then we have the Hergh QaywI'. If we analyze the QaywI', then we
> see that the {Qay} means to transfer. However the given translation,
> doesn't refer to a person who transfers ; it rather refers to a thing,
> which transfers.
> 
> Unless the definition of {Hergh ngevwI'} as "being the person who
> does", comes directly from 'oqranD, then why couldn't we use it to
> describe the store as well ?
> 
> So, the million dollar question is this :
> 
> Does the definition of {Hergh ngevwI'}, as "the person who does", come
> directly from 'oqranD ?
> 
> qunnoq
> 
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 4:42 PM, Steven Boozer 
> <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> > mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> {Hergh ngevwI'} refers to the person who sells, or to the 
> store which
> >>> sells ? Or both ?
> >
> > De'vID:
> >> It refers to the person. In the TalkNow! Klingon softwhere 
> {ngevwI'} and
> >> {Hergh ngevwI'} are used, the pronoun {ghaH} is used.
> >>
> >> But see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metonymy (or maybe
> >> https://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/Μετωνυμία is more appropriate)
> >
> >   nuqDaq ghaH Hergh ngevwI''e'
> >   Where is the chemist? (TNK)
> >
> > Another example from TalkNow! is:
> >
> >   nuqDaq ghaH ngevwI''e'
> >   Where is the shop? (TNK)
> >
> > On the other hand a {Hergh QaywI'} "pneumatic hypo" (also 
> called a hypospray and hyposyringe in Trek) is a medical 
> device, lit. "thing which transfers medicine".
> >
> >
> > --
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> > Ca'Non Master of the Klingons
> >
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