[tlhIngan Hol] [tlhIngan-Hol] Hergh ngevwI'

[mayqel qunenoS]

thank you qurgh !

Your post has been very informative indeed ;

So, here comes the final question.. And to confess my sin, this is
what sparked this whole thread..

In my dictionary I have {Hergh ngevwI'} listed as "the store and/or
the person". Should I leave this, as is, or should I delete the
"store" definition, leaving only the "person" ?

qunnoq

On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 7:48 PM, qurgh lungqIj <qurgh at wizage.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 8, 2016 at 12:04 PM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> ok, this is becoming confusing ;
>>
>> and to make things even worst, this question came to my mind minutes ago..
>>
>> .. someone builds a completely automated physical store, which store
>> sells medical products. wouldn't we be able to call that store Hergh
>> ngevwI' ?
>
>
> I'd say yes. A {Hergh ngevwI'} is a person or thing that sells medicine.
> Only context will tell you if it's an actual person or a machine.
>
> Personally I don't think it really matters if the seller is a person or a
> machine, as the outcome is the same (I get {Hergh}, which is why I would
> visit a {Hergh ngevwI'}).
>
>
>>
>> and then we have the Hergh QaywI'. If we analyze the QaywI', then we
>> see that the {Qay} means to transfer. However the given translation,
>> doesn't refer to a person who transfers ; it rather refers to a thing,
>> which transfers.
>>
>
> Again, it refers to both a thing and a person, and only context will tell
> you which of those it it. It could be a person or thing that moves {Hergh}
> from one vat to another. The translation provided by Okrand is but one of
> many meanings of the term. Just as the English "medicine transferer" could
> be any number of thing, the Klingon {Hergh QaywI'} could also be a number of
> things. One of those things is what the Federation called a "hypospray".
>
>
>>
>> Unless the definition of {Hergh ngevwI'} as "being the person who
>> does", comes directly from 'oqranD, then why couldn't we use it to
>> describe the store as well ?
>
>
> We can, if the store does the selling. Personally I use {Suy} to
> specifically refer to a person who sells stuff: {Hergh Suy} - "Medicine
> Merchant".
>
>>
>>
>> So, the million dollar question is this :
>>
>> Does the definition of {Hergh ngevwI'}, as "the person who does", come
>> directly from 'oqranD ?
>>
>
> Technically it does, since {-wI'} comes from Okrand, and he says attaching
> {-wI'} to {ngev} would make "person, or thing, that does {ngev}". The
> meaning of "chemist" for {Hergh ngevwI'} didn't come from him, but it was
> vetted by him. Is was translated by an Englishman though, and in England
> "chemist" refers to both the person and the store (unlike in the USA where
> "chemist" isn't really used outside science class/jobs, instead they use
> "drug store" for the place, and "pharmacist" for the person).
>
> qurgh
>
>
>
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