[tlhIngan Hol] Klingon Word of the Day: ghel

mayqel qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Fri Jun 17 08:30:41 PDT 2016

> lutlhob <naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'?>
> They ask him, "Can we get to the Great Hall from here?" PK

Apparently, this sentence and subsequent translation, must come way
before the details which concern the use of verbs of movement were

One would expect {wIjaHlaH} instead of {majaHlaH}, in order to specify
"the direction of movement vs where the movement is taking place".

Of course, someone could argue, that since the sentence says "from
here TO the great hall", then the direction is specified.

But the counter-argument could come too, "if we use the {ma-}, then
this could mean : we are walking along the road which goes from here
to the great hall, without actually us wanting to go there".

Anyway, I prefer the use of {wI-}, in cases such as these, because :

a. it is not wrong
b. if one is to err, then it is better to earn on the safe side.

And a side note to this :

It is one thing to say that klingon does not tolerate redundancy, so
we should omit useless words, prefixes or suffixes ;

However it is quite another, to assume that the reader is clairvoyant
or possesses supernatural abilities, thus waiting from him to already
know what's on one's mind.


On Fri, Jun 17, 2016 at 5:29 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
>> Klingon Word of the Day for Friday, June 17, 2016
>> Klingon word: ghel
>> Part of speech: verb
>> Definition: ask (a question)
> AFAIK no example sentences in canon.
> (HQ 7:4):  What I wanted to do with {tlhob} and {ghel} is to distinguish between two different meanings for the English verb "ask". There are two ask's. There's the ask where you ask a question and there's ask where you make a request. I wanted it to be two different verbs, though apparently there are times when the request verb is used to ask a question as well. So maybe the way it works is that {ghel} can ask a question and only as a question and the other one can mean that and is also used to request or plead or something like that.
> tlhob   ask, request, plead (v)
>   qatlhob
>   I ask you. KLS
>   qatlhobneS
>   Please.  TNK
>   lutlhob <naDevvo' vaS'a'Daq majaHlaH'a'?>
>   They ask him, "Can we get to the Great Hall from here?" PK
>   juDev 'ej Dujvam ra'wI' DagheS 'e' vItlhob
>   I ask you to lead us as commander of this ship.
>   ("I request that you lead us and that you assume the duties
>     of commander of this ship.") KGT
>   molor luSuvmeH nuHmeychaj Suq 'e' tlhob qeylIS
>   Kahless asks that they take up their weapons to fight Molor PB
> yu'             question, interrogate (v)
>   AFAIK no examples in canon.
> poQ             demand, require (v)
>   muSuvbogh DoS vIpoQ
>   I need a target that fights back. ST5
>   qab legh 'e' poQ
>   He/she demands to see a face. [i.e. a challenge to a duel] KGT
>   loHwI' vISuch 'e' vIpoQ
>   I demand to see the magistrate! (ENT "Affliction")
> qoy'            plead, beg (v)
>   AFAIK no examples in canon.
> jang            answer (v)
>   jang 'avwI' <jIghung je>
>   The guard replies, "I am also hungry." PK
>   jang 'avwI' <jI'oj je>
>   The guard replies, "I am also thirsty." PK
>   jang 'avwI' <lIchopbe'chugh ghewmey!>
>   The guard answers, "If the bugs do not bite you!" PK
>   lujang maS'e' loQ So'be'bogh QIb lurur
>   they reply, shaped as the crescent moon. PB
>   lujang meQboghnom 'oH yeqchuqchu'taHghach Daw' je joqwI'
>   They reply it is the {meQboghnom}, the banner of unity
>    and revolution. PB
> --
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