[tlhIngan Hol] to qaStaHvIS or not to qaStaHvIS

[Steven Boozer]

I would use {qaStaHvIS DIS law'}since I’m assuming that your phone’s volume has been low *continuously* rather than just occasionally (say when you want to sleep).

Remember the proverb:

  qaStaHvIS wa' ram loS SaD Hugh SIjlaH qetbogh loD
  4,000 throats may be cut in one night by a running man. TKD

This means that the man can accomplish this seemingly impossible task *during* a single night if he’s determined and/or inventive – i.e. if he runs instead of walking or waiting for others to bring his victims to him.  (Normally killing so many people by hand would take much longer.)

For me at least, omitting {qaStaHvIS} “while it continually occurs/happens” turns {wa’ ram} into a simple time-stamp:  i.e. one unspecified night in the past or the present or the future.

--Voragh


On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS

thank you ca'non master !

however before I sleep, there is a final question I need to ask, in order to verify that I accurately understood this matter.

if I want to say "for many years, I have my phone's sound level set at maximum", then there are two options:

 {DIS law', ghoghwIj HablI'vaD wab 'aqroS patlh vIlo'}
or
 {qaStaHvIS DIS law', ghoghwIj HablI'vaD wab 'aqroS patlh vIlo'}

if I understand correctly what was said so far, then at this example the {qaStaHvIS} is unnecessary, right ? we can use it if we want, but it isn't necessary, right ?
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'
SuvwI'pu'qoq Hol tughojmoHta'mo' Satlho'

On 27 Dec 2016 8:53 pm, "Steven Boozer" <sboozer at uchicago.edu<mailto:sboozer at uchicago.edu>> wrote:
Use the corresponding verbs {Qoj} or {ghob}:


(KGT 47):  In parallel fashion, any specific battle is {may'}, but the concept of battle is {vIq}, often translated as combat. Similarly, there are several verbs for fight, battle, and the like. Most broadly, do battle or wage war--that is, actually engage in a conflict in which a number of combatants are involved--is {ghob}. The notion of make war in the general sense, referring to the idea of war and not a specific war, is {Qoj}. The verb for fight, whether in a war or a one-on-one confrontation, is {Suv}. In short, the nouns {veS} (war, warfare) and {vIq} (combat) and the verb {Qoj} (wage war) all are used to refer to the ideas of warfare, combat, and making war, while the nouns {noH} (war) and {may'} (battle) and the verbs {ghob} (make war, do battle) and {Suv} (fight) are used when referring to specific, concrete instances of war, battle, and fighting. Thus it is possible to say ... {may' ghob} or {may' Suv}, meaning He/she fights a battle, but it is not normally acceptable to say ... {vIq Suv} (He/she fights a combat).

--Voragh

On Behalf Of mayqel qunenoS
SuStel:
> I don't think one can yIn a may'

hehehe.. you're right ! I just couldn't think of any other word !
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

On 27 Dec 2016 8:29 pm, "SuStel" <sustel at trimboli.name<mailto:sustel at trimboli.name>> wrote:
On 12/27/2016 1:24 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
SuStel:
> like a single fight during a period of three
> years

I guess this means something like:

{qaStaHvIS wej DIS wa' may' neH wIyIn}
we only had one battle during three years

right ?


Er... I don't think one can yIn a may'... But qaStaHvIS wej DIS wa' may' neH wISuv would be correct.

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