[tlhIngan Hol] to qaStaHvIS or not to qaStaHvIS

[SuStel]

On 12/27/2016 12:06 PM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> for quite some time now, I am wondering as to the extent one must use 
> the {qaStaHvIS}.
>
> my understanding is, that if we are talking about an event which takes 
> place once, there is no need for {qaStaHvIS}.
>
> example:
> DaSjaj matlheD
> (on) monday we depart
>
> on the other hand, if we talk of an event that lasts quite some time, 
> then the qaStaHvIS is (seemingly) required.
>
> example:
> qaStaHvIS DaSjaj jIvum
> while monday is happening I work
>
> so, here is my first question: in the aforementioned example 
> {qaStaHvIS DaSjaj jIvum}, is the {qaStaHvIS} necessary ? can't I just 
> write {DaSjaj jIvum} ?

Yes, you can just write *DaSjaj jIvum*/I work on Monday./ You're not 
telling us about how your work was structured, just that on Monday, work 
happened.


>
> maj..
>
> moving on, my next question is "if we are talking of singular events 
> which take place multiple times, do we use the {qaStaHvIS} ?"
>
> example:
> on monday I kill four birds
> do I write
> {DaSjaj loS bo'Degh vIHoH}
> or do I write
> {qaStaHvIS DaSjaj loS bo'Degh vIHoH}

For simple time expressions, this doesn't make a difference. *qaStaHvIS* 
is much more useful when referring to events, e.g. *qaStaHvIS SoQ 
jIQongchoH*/I fell asleep during the speech,/ or time periods, e.g., 
*qaStaHvIS wej DIS toQDuj baHwI' jIH*/I was a Bird of Prey gunner for 
three years.
/

Exactly when a phrase is a time expression or a time period is difficult 
for me to articulate. Longer periods get treated like time periods when 
the subject is events of short duration (like a single fight during a 
period of three years). *qaStaHvIS *has a sort of "zooming-in" effect; 
you are examining a subset of the entire period and saying that the 
period was going on before the point you're looking at and continues on 
after the point you're looking at. When you want to zoom in, treat it 
like a time period and use *qaStaHvIS.* When you just want to label when 
something happened, and you don't want to zoom into the context of the 
moment, use a time expression.
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SuStel
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