[tlhIngan Hol] How do you explain {'InSong} ?

[sustel at trimboli.name]

“It's worth stating that I don't believe the rules of Klingon syllable structure have ever been directly stated, but rather this is based on observation”

In his recent “Klingon 101” lecture, Okrand explained the rules of a Klingon syllable, though I think he forgot to include final rgh.

“In the event where the forst syllable is simply CV (tera'ngan, lulIgh, bIreQtagh, ...), there may be room for interpretation where one syllable ends and the other ends. Normally, the CV syllable gets "swallowed", so that the two syllables almost sound like one; tera' sounds like "vra" and verengan sounds like "vrengan".

I don’t do this. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Okrand do this. Klingon doesn't schwa vowels the way English does. Where does this idea come from?

“This confusion might also arise when using the -oy suffix. Is this the only syllable that can begin on a vowel? Or does it change the stress pattern of the word it's appended to in such a way that the syllable becomes -Coy? (for example, would jupoy be ju-poy, perhaps just ending up sounding like "jpoy"?)”

-oy is not a syllable; it’s a suffix. It’s usually added to a word ending in a consonant, and TKD suggests that a ‘ is added first if the word ends in a vowel. Adding the suffix completes the syllable. Though I don’t give much weight to actors’ pronunciations, I will point out that Azetbur pronounces vavoy as va-VOY.

-- 
SuStel
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From: Felix Malmenbeck
Sent: Saturday, December 10, 2016 6:30 AM
To: tlhingan-hol at kli.org
Subject: Re: [tlhIngan Hol] How do you explain {'InSong} ?

It's worth stating that I don't believe the rules of Klingon syllable structure have ever been directly stated, but rather this is based on observation.

The majority of all cases can be described as such:

Every syllable begins with a consonant, followed by a vowel.
This may be (and usually is) followed by a consonant, or one of the three permissible terminal consonant clusters: -rgh, -w' or -y'.
No syllable ends on -ow, -ow', -uw or -uw'.

So single syllable options are:

CV - tI Do ta ...
CVC - batlh chuch por ...
CVrgh - 'argh burgh qorgh ...
CVw' - maw'  law' ghaw' ... (interestingly, there don't appear to be any -ew' or -Iw' words)
CVy' - lay' loy' bey' ... (no known -Iy' examples)

After one of these, you are freee tonstart a new syllable, which may also follow any of these forms.

For example:

CVC-CVC - 'InSong, bobcho', lalDan
CV-CVC - lulIgh, qama'
CVC-CV - HaSta, yergho
CV-CV-CVC - verengan
CVC-CV-CVC - Ha'DIbaH

In the event where the forst syllable is simply CV (tera'ngan, lulIgh, bIreQtagh, ...), there may be room for interpretation where one syllable ends and the other ends. Normally, the CV syllable gets "swallowed", so that the two syllables almost sound like one; tera' sounds like "vra" and verengan sounds like "vrengan".

This confusion might also arise when using the -oy suffix. Is this the only syllable that can begin on a vowel? Or does it change the stress pattern of the word it's appended to in such a way that the syllable becomes -Coy? (for example, would jupoy be ju-poy, perhaps just ending up sounding like "jpoy"?)

There are still exceptions to these "rules", such as those seen in non-Klinogn names (qIrq, pIqarD, 'oqranD) and in no' Hol (paq'batlh, tog'det q'uti 'qoolit).

Best wishes,
loghaD (CV-CVC)

10 dec. 2016 kl. 11:27 skrev mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com>:
lieven:
> '-I-n = C-V-C
> S-o-ng = C-V-C
> Why the confusion?
according to the rule of cvc, how come that after the {n} the {S} follows ? this produces (cvccvc).
the rule refers to clusters of three (cvc-cvc-cvc), or does it go like (cvcvcvcvc..) ? so far I thought that according to this rule, right after a consonant always a vowel follows.
qunnoH jan puqloD
ghoghwIj HablI'vo' vIngeHta'

On 10 Dec 2016 12:16 pm, "Lieven" <levinius at gmx.de> wrote:
Am 10.12.2016 um 11:01 schrieb mayqel qunenoS:
we are always saying that klingon phonology utilizes cvc. so, how do you
explain {'InSong} ?

'-I-n = C-V-C
S-o-ng = C-V-C

Why the confusion?


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