[tlhIngan Hol] Saruman and Lurtz

SuStel sustel at trimboli.name
Tue Aug 23 08:50:39 PDT 2016

On 8/23/2016 11:41 AM, mayqel qunenoS wrote:
> SuStel:
>> wa'DIch elves chaH first they were elves. elves chaHpu' they had been elves
>> You don't want both together; that means first they had been elves, which
>> suggests that when you start ("first") they had already completed being elves
>> or that first they are elves for a moment.
> I'm not sure I'm following here ; perhaps there is a misunderstanding
> on my part with regards to what the aspect suffix {-pu'} actually
> stands for.
> It stands for a completed event, right ? Does that event, need to have
> stopped being in effect as well ? The "orcs were elves once". That's a
> completed event. "Once they were elves". Perhaps later they stopped
> being elves, but during the point of time which the "once" refers to,
> there was a completed event, and that event was "they being elves".

That's your error. During the "once," they were still elves. When it was 
"once," being elves wasn't completed.

>   I can't understand why we can't have both the "once" and the {pu'}.

Either it's "once" and the elves are still being elves, or it's no 
longer "once" and being elves is completed.

> jIH:
>> ('ej ngugh jang lurtz) : Saruman !!!
> Again, no aspect suffix here, due to the {ngugh}. "Then (at that time)
> lurtz replies". Now that I'm thinking of it again, perhaps I could
> place a {-taH}. "then (at that time) lurtz is replying"..

Replying a single word doesn't sound "continuous" to me...


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