[tlhIngan Hol] How difficult is Klingon ?

MorphemeAddict lytlesw at gmail.com
Mon Aug 15 08:16:00 PDT 2016

All of the numbers are subjective, so how are they determined? Guessing, I

lay'tel SIvten

On Mon, Aug 15, 2016 at 2:49 AM, mayqel qunenoS <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:

> thank you all for replying ; my opinion on this subject is a big "it
> depends". let me explain..
> if someone:
> 1. really wants to learn
> 2. has the discipline to sit down, in order to get the job done
> 3. has help from experts
> then my rating would be:
> grammar 40/100
> vocabulary 50/100
> pronunciation I really can't decide
> writting klingon 40/100
> real time speaking 70/100
> however I believe, that the only way for someone to learn klingon is to
> have help from experts.
> the ONLY reason I managed to learn in a few months is because I had help
> from the experts of this list, who are the best klingonists in the world.
> (and I'm not saying this in order to flatter someone ; I'm saying it
> because it's the truth).
> however, if someone tries to learn on his own, then I truly believe that
> the difficulty he will encounter will be tremendous, let alone the fact,
> that in the end he will learn everything wrong.
> finally, on the question: "how difficult was klingon for YOU", then I will
> say 70%. And I will give this relatively high rating because in order to
> learn the basics (I still have a lot to learn), I have been working for 10
> months so far, approximately 2 hours a day.
> but it was without a doubt, totally and definitely
> worth it !
> qunnoq
> Sent from my goat phone
> On 15 Aug 2016 1:14 a.m., "Ed Bailey" <bellerophon.modeler at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> I'm a relative newcomer, but what André said sums up my experience,
>> except that because the vocabulary is composed mainly of monosyllables with
>> a super simple CVC(C) structure, it's harder for me to retain. Maybe it's
>> because there are far fewer error checking mechanisms in a vocabulary that
>> includes a high percentage of all possible monosyllables. I seem to have a
>> touch of dyslexia, too, so I frequently mix up words like QaH and QeH, or
>> generate spoonerisms like *{Hor Sap}.
>> I'm finding that spending more time reading is helping. I'm now reading
>> nuq bop bom and my reading has become more fluent since I started. Also,
>> it's a good read!
>> ~mIp'av
>> On Sunday, August 14, 2016, André Müller <esperantist at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > I agree with ghunchu'wI', but would maybe rate it a little higher.
>> Maybe 20.
>> >
>> > As a linguist I off course have to tell you that languages cannot be
>> classified into difficult and easy, because it's all relative and depends a
>> great deal on your native tongue. I'm sitting in a chair here, of course.
>> >
>> > That being said, judging it from the perspective of a speaker of a
>> typical European Indo-European language like English, German, Polish,
>> Dutch, Swedish, Greek, etc., Klingon had some difficulties: the vocabulary
>> is almost entirely new and there are no related similar languages, many of
>> the sounds are quite difficult for Europeans to pronounce, the grammatical
>> structures are not familiar, the way of expressing things is also different
>> and in most cases doesn't seem like people on Europe would say things
>> (rather than translating, you often have to reinterpret your thoughts). You
>> also have to get used to rephrasing and coming up with creative ways to say
>> the things you want, because of the comparatively simple structures and
>> there small vocabulary.
>> >
>> > But these are all write basic things that can be learned within a
>> relatively short time – you're the best example. What makes Klingon easy
>> then? The very few rules: there are really not that many, and they usually
>> don't have exceptions either. Most verbs and nouns behave the same. The
>> syllable structure CVC(C) is super simple, and you could actually learn all
>> the words in this language. And let's be honest: although it might be
>> exotic, the grammar doesn't have much where you would say "Wow, this really
>> is difficult and complicated." – the prefixes take quite some effort,
>> sentences with {-moH} and {-lu'} are a bit tricky and often cause confusion
>> or disagreement. But the rest, nah, not too hard, I think. The biggest
>> advantage though, probably is that it's "finite" in a way: you can really
>> learn it all. All words, all rules, plus s good knowledge of canon to get a
>> good feeling for the language and some practice and you're an expert
>> already.
>> >
>> > So I would put it at around 20. Some (including invented) languages are
>> easier for speakers of (related) languages, but most would be way more
>> difficult.
>> >
>> > Just my 2 Darseks.
>> > - André
>> >
>> > On 14 Aug 2016 21:10, "mayqel qunenoS" <mihkoun at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I want to ask you this:
>> >>
>> >> How difficult do you think Klingon actually is ?
>> >>
>> >> On a scale of 1-100 (1 being ridiculously easy and 100 difficult as
>> hell), how would you rate it ?
>> >>
>> >> qunnoq
>> >> Sent from my goat phone
>> >>
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