[tlhIngan Hol] Crescent moon

mayqel qunenoS mihkoun at gmail.com
Thu Aug 25 07:30:06 PDT 2016


SuStel voragh je:
> The adverbial may actually follow the object noun (but still precedes the
> verb) when the object noun is topicalized by means of the noun suffix {-'e'}

oh.. I had totally forgotten about this.

however, and since this came up.. If we have an object noun
topicalized by the noun suffix {-'e'}, the adverbial MAY follow that
noun, or it NECESSARILY follows the noun ?

qunnoq

On Thu, Aug 25, 2016 at 5:14 PM, Steven Boozer <sboozer at uchicago.edu> wrote:
> mayqel qunenoS wrote:
>> > We use {maS'e' loQ So'be'bogh QIb}, in order to say "crescent moon".
>> > Shouldn't the {loQ} come first ?
>
> SuStel:
>> See TKD Addendum, section 6.7: Placement of adverbial elements.
>
> (TKD 179:  It is possible for an element of another type to precede the adverb. Most commonly this is a time element.
>
> (TKD 180):  The adverbial may actually follow the object noun (but still precedes the verb) when the object noun is topicalized by means of the noun suffix {-'e'}:
>     HaqwI''e' DaH yISam
>     Find the SURGEON now!
>
> There's another nearly identical example from Star Trek VI:
>
>   cheng'e' DaH yISam
>   Find Chang. (ST6)
>
> {loQ} is not a time element like {DaH}, but look again at the phrase in context:
>
>   nuH'e' qengbogh mangghomvam
>      luDel 'e' ra' molor
>      lujang maS'e' loQ So'be'bogh QIb lurur
>   Molor asks them
>      What weapons this army carries,
>      They reply, shaped as the crescent moon.
>
> They are of course talking about bat'leths, which were new to Molor! (PB, paq'raD, Canto 13:11)
>
>
>
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